wrd1972 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Okay I am still having the issue with some backglasses not loading for very large VP10 tables. For example, my latest Funhouse rev 2.0, is extremely large, and takes more than 3x time to load up, and be ready to play compared to nearly every other VP10 table. So when I launch FH through PinballX. The table loads and is playable, but the backglass never loads at all, just blank screen. The two hundred plus other tables on my cab have their backglasses load perfectly fine, through PBX. No issues at all. Its just my FH table I assume due to its long load time. The backglass was indeed loading on my previous rev of FH, which was smaller. But the latest 2.0 version, is much larger, and now the backglass problem popped up again. And as before, if I launch FH through the VP editor, the backglass loads every single time without fail. So for some reason, PinballX does not seem to like the very long load times, of this table. Can the devs please download FH from Vpinball.com, and try to replicate this issue. And if there is an issue, can it be looked at. Here is the link to the table: https://vpinball.com/VPBdownloads/funhouse-williams-1990/ Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draco1962 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Please attach copies of your pinballx.ini and the log.txt file after running some of the tables. Also including a list of tables you are seeing affected would be very helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carny_Priest Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 In the deep past, I've gotten around this issue by running PinballX concurrently with Task Manager. Why? Who knows? It's Windows. I'm not sure that this is still the workaround with recent versions of PinballX. Something to try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scutters Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 This won't help much, but funhouse v2.0 and backglass load fine for me through pinballx (just updated to v3.30), takes about 25sec. I'm using this backglass https://www.vpforums.org/index.php?showtopic=23120 on a 3 screen setup. (btw - thanks for a great update!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outhere Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Try this Backglass Server https://www.vpforums.org/index.php?showtopic=41903&p=424768 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrd1972 Posted March 14, 2019 Author Share Posted March 14, 2019 Draco, Attaching the files. I only have 1 table out of 221, that have this issue. And that table is FH. Every other table in my collection has its backglass operate as normal. I really think its related in some way to the very long load time of this one table. Its size is the only thing that makes it rteally different than other table. And the fact it does work through the editor. Outthere: I copy pasted the two file from the link below, and registered it. Now I have no backglasses at all, even through the editor: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RpQiokTC_yYw1nAxaAF9NCpTVro9BQ0Y/view Carny, Did not work PinballX.ini log.txt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outhere Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Info on that Backglass Server https://www.vpforums.org/index.php?showtopic=41903&p=424768 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrd1972 Posted March 15, 2019 Author Share Posted March 15, 2019 I will try it again. I also just found that Data East Star Wars VP10 has the same issue. Backglass will not load if launched through PBX. But will load every single time, through VP10 editor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scutters Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Might be the larger tables are a tipping point for system bottleneck if you're running 4k. Anything in event viewer or task manager performance to indicate issues / maxing out? All i can suggest is trying different B2S files to see if same result otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrd1972 Posted March 16, 2019 Author Share Posted March 16, 2019 Okay I mentioned that the backglass was not loading for VP10 DE Star Wars. I changed the "DMD" vale in the DB2S properties, from "standard" to "hidden". And now the backglass APPEARS through PBX. Also Blacksad has made a new DB2S for Funhouse, and it seems to be working now with PBX. But the DMD proprieties in the DB2S, shows "standard". So who knows? If I can find some other problematic backglasses, I will try the trick I saw above. But I have to assume there must be some small issue with PBX and some backglasses...considering all backglasses work perfectly through the editor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike_da_Spike Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 I have 600+ vpx tables and all loads fine for me with pbx. So think a setup in your directb2s server is different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draco1962 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 You may want to upgrade to v3.32 and try installing the 32-bit version. Per your log file: PinballX - Version 3.28 x64 Perhaps that may work better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrd1972 Posted March 18, 2019 Author Share Posted March 18, 2019 Okay did the upgrade. Problem remains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draco1962 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 1 hour ago, wrd1972 said: Okay did the upgrade. Problem remains. Tom may need to take a closer look. Can you please attach new copies of your log.txt and pinballx.ini files in reply Also note again what tables are affected at this time. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrd1972 Posted March 18, 2019 Author Share Posted March 18, 2019 Okay. Gonna be a few days. But I will do that. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edany Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 I had/have the same issue, my solution was: Rename the table name like the rom name: for example, rename Funhouse.vpx to fh_905h.vpx and also the B2S file to fh_905h Set the new name in Game manager! Hope it works for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrd1972 Posted March 20, 2019 Author Share Posted March 20, 2019 3 hours ago, edany said: I had/have the same issue, my solution was: Rename the table name like the rom name: for example, rename Funhouse.vpx to fh_905h.vpx and also the B2S file to fh_905h Set the new name in Game manager! Hope it works for you. Yeah I will try that. But I would prefer to see "funhouse" as the title of the game in the PBX browsing menu, and not FH_905h. But this tid bit of information could help the devs. Surely the system is not that darn sensitive to the tittles/descriptions. Thanks for that piece of information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike_da_Spike Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 9 minutes ago, wrd1972 said: Yeah I will try that. But I would prefer to see "funhouse" as the title of the game in the PBX browsing menu, and not FH_905h. But this tid bit of information could help the devs. Surely the system is not that darn sensitive to the tittles/descriptions. Thanks for that piece of information. The name of the table within Pbx can be different than the filename. I try to keep the original name of the table as the creator/designer named it, bit on game manager I rename it to the "<TABLENAME> (<manufacturer> <year released>)" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edany Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 For Title/Description you can use what you want, like "Funhouse" just Game name is the rom name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draco1962 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 I have found what @edany and @Mike_da_Spike are suggesting is correct to use the rom name (or appID if a Steam Pinball FX2 or FX3 table) in the game name of the xml and the table "name" in the Title/Description which will show in the selection menu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edany Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 I think the issue coming on "lower systems performance" if you have a table with more loading and rendering time you get that issue, i powered up my system with a gtx 1070 ti and the issue is gone. My GPU before was a GTX 1060 6 GB, in 4k. Loading Time over 25 sec you get sometimes not the BG, you see that, in PBX the small Window popup for loading/rendering/script came for a short time over the pbx loading screen before the playfield is showing. Sorry for my bad english Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simbamame Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 just tried funhouse on my system no problems loads within a second but im using a Ryzen 7 with an SSD M2 , so maybe rig specs need upgrading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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