[RESOLVED] Tables "Freeze" after about 5-10 seconds - used to work fine

**rtkiii** · August 21, 2017

Hello,

Hadnt played Visual Pinball in awhile since my cab is tucked away...but just fired up the PC that has everything and was giving it a go when I found when I play a table in PBX it stops responding, well the ball stoips moving, flippers, etc...but audio continues to play. Thought it was Visual Pinball but the same table plays fine. any ideas? Noticed a "Hidden Window" message in the log but not sure what it meas as I never see anything come up when I use VP. Also every once and awhile when it does freeze I see like a Mame(i know this isnt mame ) type option window come up...some maybe I am hitting something that is wanting to make a change...by why only in PBX...and why now when it has been wokring for at least a year, fine.

22:47:15.9 8/20/2017: PinballX - Version 2.36
22:47:16.0 8/20/2017: Windows 7 Professional Service Pack 1 64-bit (7.9GB)
22:47:16.0 8/20/2017: Loading Settings
22:47:16.0 8/20/2017: Initialize Component
22:47:16.0 8/20/2017: Initialize Display
22:47:16.1 8/20/2017: Loading PlugIns
22:47:16.2 8/20/2017: Created DirectX BackGlass Window
22:47:16.3 8/20/2017: Created DirectX DMD Window
22:47:16.4 8/20/2017: Hiding Cursor
22:47:16.4 8/20/2017: Hiding Taskbar
22:47:16.5 8/20/2017: CPU: AMD FX(tm)-4300 Quad-Core Processor
22:47:16.5 8/20/2017: GPU 1: AMD Radeon (TM) R7 370 Series
22:47:16.5 8/20/2017: Displays: 2
22:47:16.5 8/20/2017: Loading Font
22:47:16.5 8/20/2017: Load Game List
22:47:16.5 8/20/2017: Loading Database: Pinball FX2
22:47:16.5 8/20/2017: Loading Database: Visual Pinball
22:47:16.5 8/20/2017: Loading Database: VP Physics Mod
22:47:16.5 8/20/2017: Loading Database: VPX
22:47:16.5 8/20/2017: Loading Database: UltraDMD
22:47:16.5 8/20/2017: Finding and matching artwork and videos
22:47:18.3 8/20/2017: Loading Game Statistics and Scores
22:47:18.6 8/20/2017: Loading Surfaces
22:47:18.8 8/20/2017: Finished Loading Surfaces
22:47:18.8 8/20/2017: Initialize Audio
22:47:18.9 8/20/2017: Set Keyboard Controls
22:47:18.9 8/20/2017: Initialize Joystick
22:47:19.0 8/20/2017: No Joysticks Attached
22:47:19.0 8/20/2017: Started
22:47:22.1 8/20/2017: Launch System
22:47:22.1 8/20/2017: Waiting for threads
22:47:22.1 8/20/2017: Disposing display
22:47:23.6 8/20/2017: Writing ScreenRes.txt
22:47:23.6 8/20/2017: C:\Program Files (x86)\Visual Pinball\VPinball990.exe /play -"C:\Program Files (x86)\Visual Pinball\Tables\NBA-Fastbreak_VP915_FS.vpt"
22:47:23.7 8/20/2017: C:\PinballX\vpauto.exe
22:47:30.3 8/20/2017: Hidden Visual Pinball Editor Window
22:48:08.0 8/20/2017: Exit System Control Pressed
22:48:13.1 8/20/2017: Created DirectX BackGlass Window
22:48:13.2 8/20/2017: Created DirectX DMD Window
22:48:18.4 8/20/2017: Exiting
22:48:18.6 8/20/2017: Showing Taskbar
22:48:18.6 8/20/2017: Unhiding Mouse Cursor
22:48:18.7 8/20/2017: Disposing Plugins
22:48:18.7 8/20/2017: Saving Settings
22:48:18.7 8/20/2017: Waiting for Online Thread
22:48:19.6 8/20/2017: Bye

Solution

**rtkiii** · August 21, 2017

I just fired it up again and chose not to hit anything but enter to launch the ball. It kicked around on the table (NBA Fastbreak) for about 10 seconds withoutn any interaction from me and it stopped again. Audio continues to play...and I saw no window popup from VP. Hit ESC and it goes back to PBX table list.

22:53:12.8 8/20/2017: PinballX - Version 2.36
22:53:12.8 8/20/2017: Windows 7 Professional Service Pack 1 64-bit (7.9GB)
22:53:12.8 8/20/2017: Loading Settings
22:53:12.8 8/20/2017: Initialize Component
22:53:12.9 8/20/2017: Initialize Display
22:53:13.0 8/20/2017: Loading PlugIns
22:53:13.1 8/20/2017: Created DirectX BackGlass Window
22:53:13.2 8/20/2017: Created DirectX DMD Window
22:53:13.3 8/20/2017: Hiding Cursor
22:53:13.3 8/20/2017: Hiding Taskbar
22:53:13.4 8/20/2017: CPU: AMD FX(tm)-4300 Quad-Core Processor
22:53:13.4 8/20/2017: GPU 1: AMD Radeon (TM) R7 370 Series
22:53:13.4 8/20/2017: Displays: 2
22:53:13.4 8/20/2017: Loading Font
22:53:13.4 8/20/2017: Load Game List
22:53:13.4 8/20/2017: Loading Database: Pinball FX2
22:53:13.4 8/20/2017: Loading Database: Visual Pinball
22:53:13.4 8/20/2017: Loading Database: VP Physics Mod
22:53:13.4 8/20/2017: Loading Database: VPX
22:53:13.4 8/20/2017: Loading Database: UltraDMD
22:53:13.5 8/20/2017: Finding and matching artwork and videos
22:53:15.2 8/20/2017: Loading Game Statistics and Scores
22:53:15.5 8/20/2017: Loading Surfaces
22:53:15.7 8/20/2017: Finished Loading Surfaces
22:53:15.7 8/20/2017: Initialize Audio
22:53:15.7 8/20/2017: Set Keyboard Controls
22:53:15.8 8/20/2017: Initialize Joystick
22:53:15.9 8/20/2017: No Joysticks Attached
22:53:15.9 8/20/2017: Started
22:53:39.1 8/20/2017: Launch System
22:53:39.1 8/20/2017: Waiting for threads
22:53:39.1 8/20/2017: Disposing display
22:53:40.6 8/20/2017: Writing ScreenRes.txt
22:53:40.6 8/20/2017: C:\Program Files (x86)\Visual Pinball\VPinball990.exe /play -"C:\Program Files (x86)\Visual Pinball\Tables\NBA-Fastbreak_VP915_FS.vpt"
22:53:40.6 8/20/2017: C:\PinballX\vpauto.exe
22:53:47.6 8/20/2017: Hidden Visual Pinball Editor Window
22:54:21.9 8/20/2017: Exit System Control Pressed
22:54:27.1 8/20/2017: Created DirectX BackGlass Window
22:54:27.1 8/20/2017: Created DirectX DMD Window
22:54:30.5 8/20/2017: Exiting
22:54:30.7 8/20/2017: Showing Taskbar
22:54:30.7 8/20/2017: Unhiding Mouse Cursor
22:54:30.7 8/20/2017: Disposing Plugins
22:54:30.7 8/20/2017: Saving Settings
22:54:30.7 8/20/2017: Waiting for Online Thread
22:54:31.4 8/20/2017: Bye

**rtkiii** · August 21, 2017

Again...Table plays fine in Visual Pinball itself. I played it for about 30 minutes after I saw the issue inside on PBX.

**Outhere** · August 21, 2017

Post your Pinballx.ini File

**rtkiii** · August 21, 2017

[Display]
Monitor=0
rotate=270
Windowed=False
WindowWidth=480
WindowHeight=720
WindowX=0
WindowY=65
PlayFieldBrightness=230
WheelTextColor=ffffffff
WheelTextOutlineColor=ff000000
InfoTextColor=ffffffff
InfoTextOutlineColor=ff000000
FilterTextColor=ffffffff
FilterTextOutlineColor=ff000000
MenuColor=ffffa500
FullScreenWindowed=False
[BackGlass]
monitor=1
x=0
y=0
width=1280
height=1024
[DMD]
Enabled=True
monitor=1
x=0
y=745
width=0
height=0
AutoPositionPinMAME=False
UsePinMAME=False
HidePinMAME=False
[FileSystem]
EnableFileMatching=True
[Interface]
DesktopModeEnabled=False
EnableAdditionalDetail=True
ShowSystem=True
ShowRatings=True
[Audio]
StreamVolume=90
SampleVolume=90
PlaySoundInVideos=True
[Startup]
playsound=True
playvideo=False
StartWithWindows=No
[KeyCodes]
quit=27
left=37
right=39
select=13
rotate=82
pageleft=33
pageright=34
exitemulator=27
ingame=80
screenshot=83
screenshotbackglass=66
instructions=73
volumedown=109
volumeup=107
credit=53
plunger=164
[JoyCodes]
quit=2
left=0
right=1
select=7
rotate=3
pageleft=4
pageright=5
exitemulator=2
ingame=13
instructions=14
[Text]
Line1=Johnny 5 Pinball Experience
Line2=Press Start to Pick Your Table
[FuturePinball]
Enabled=False
WorkingPath=h:\-PINBALL-\-FUTURE PINBALL-
TablePath=h:\-PINBALL-\-FUTURE PINBALL-\Tables
Executable=Future Pinball.exe
Parameters=/open "[TABLEPATH]\[TABLEFILE]" /play /exit /arcaderender
LaunchBeforeEnabled=false
LaunchBeforeWorkingPath=
LaunchBeforeExecutable=notepad.exe
LaunchBeforeHideWindow=False
LaunchBeforeWaitForExit=True
LaunchAfterEnabled=False
LaunchAfterWorkingPath=
LaunchAfterExecutable=notepad.exe
LaunchAfterHideWindow=False
LaunchAfterWaitForExit=True
MouseClickFocus=True
[VisualPinball]
Enabled=True
WorkingPath=C:\Program Files (x86)\Visual Pinball
TablePath=C:\Program Files (x86)\Visual Pinball\Tables
Executable=VPinball990.exe
Parameters=/play -"[TABLEPATH]\[TABLEFILE]"
LaunchBeforeEnabled=false
LaunchBeforeWorkingPath=
LaunchBeforeExecutable=notepad.exe
LaunchBeforeHideWindow=False
LaunchBeforeWaitForExit=True
LaunchAfterEnabled=False
LaunchAfterWorkingPath=
LaunchAfterExecutable=notepad.exe
LaunchAfterHideWindow=False
LaunchAfterWaitForExit=True
NVRAMPath=C:\Program Files (x86)\Visual Pinball\VPinMame\nvram
[ExitScreen]
Enabled=True
EnableExit=True
EnableShutdown=False
[StartupProgram]
Enabled=false
WorkingPath=
Executable=notepad.exe
Paramaters=
HideWindow=true
WaitForExit=false
[ExitProgram]
Enabled=false
WorkingPath=
Executable=notepad.exe
Paramaters=
HideWindow=False
WaitForExit=
[AttractMode]
Enabled=True
Timer=1
ShowFor=15
[System_2]
Name=MAME
Enabled=False
WorkingPath=C:\- EMULATORS -\- MAME -
TablePath=C:\
Executable=mamep64.exe
Parameters=[TABLEFILE]
[AutoExit]
Enabled=False
Minutes=10
[Login]
Enabled=True
[Internal]
lastselected=NBA FastbreakNBA-Fastbreak_VP915_FSVisualPinball
filter_year=
filter_company=
filter_custom=
filtername=Tables
lastwheelcachematchsize=-1123
[SetupWizard]
EmuPath1=C:\Emulators
AssetPath1=C:\Assets
RomPath1=C:\Roms
DefaultPathPrompt=True
DownloadDatabasePrompt=True
DownloadEmulatorPrompt=True
WizardMode=2
CustomArray=General Settings|Keyboard Input Settings|Pinball FX2
SearchArray=
SavePosition=False
SectionIndex=1
SearchText=start
EmulatorIndex=0
EmulatorGroupIndex=0
DaphneIndex=0
HTMLAppsIndex=0
ExternalAppsIndex=0
RadioStationsIndex=0
NewsFeedsIndex=0
MappedDrivesIndex=0
SystemIndex=0
ShowPanel=True
FontSize=1
WindowState=2
WindowSize=650,984
WindowLocation=630,0
[Plugin_1]
Enabled=False
Name=PlugInSpeech.dll
[Plugin_2]
Enabled=False
Name=QuickLaunch (PinballX Edition).dll
[Plugin_3]
Enabled=False
Name=Xpadder Plugin.dll
[System_3]
Name=DO NOT USE
WorkingPath=
TablePath=
Executable=
Parameters=
Enabled=False
SystemType=1
[GameListManager]
onlinemode=false
[System_4]
Name=VP Physics Mod
WorkingPath=C:\Program Files (x86)\Visual Pinball
Executable=VP_physmod5.exe
Parameters=/play "c:\program files (x86)\Visual Pinball\Tables\phymod\[TABLEFILE]"
Enabled=True
SystemType=1
TablePath=C:\Program Files (x86)\Visual Pinball\Tables\phymod
[PinballFX2]
Enabled=True
WorkingPath=C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam
Executable=steam.exe
Parameters=-applaunch 226980 "[TABLEFILE]"
Process=pinball fx2.exe
WaitFor=15
LaunchBeforeEnabled=True
LaunchBeforeWorkingPath=C:\Program Files (x86)\Xpadder
LaunchBeforeExecutable=xpadder.exe
LaunchBeforeWaitForExit=True
[System_5]
Name=VPX
WorkingPath=C:\Program Files (x86)\Visual Pinball
TablePath=C:\Program Files (x86)\Visual Pinball\Tables\VPX
Executable=VPinballX.exe
Parameters=/play "c:\program files (x86)\Visual Pinball\Tables\VPX\[TABLEFILE]"
Enabled=True
SystemType=1
[System_6]
Name=VPX_2
Enabled=False
SystemType=1
WorkingPath=C:\Visual Pinball
TablePath=C:\Visual Pinball\Tables
Executable=VPinballX_2.exe
Parameters=/play "c:\Visual Pinball\Tables\[TABLEFILE]"
[System_7]
Name=UltraDMD
Enabled=True
WorkingPath=C:\Program Files (x86)\Visual Pinball
TablePath=C:\Program Files (x86)\Visual Pinball\Tables\UltraDMD
Executable=VPinballX.exe
Parameters=/play "c:\program files (x86)\Visual Pinball\Tables\UltraDMD\[TABLEFILE]"
SystemType=1
[System_8]
Name=UltraDMD X_2
WorkingPath=C:\Visual Pinball
TablePath=C:\Visual Pinball\Tables\UltraDMD
Executable=VPinballX_2.exe
Parameters=/play "c:\Visual Pinball\Tables\[TABLEFILE]"
Enabled=False
SystemType=1
[Topper]
monitor=2

**Outhere** · August 21, 2017

I noticed for your VPinball990 parameters you use  /play -"[TABLEPATH]\[TABLEFILE]" But in your other vp setups you use something else...
I use this for all my VP setups in pinballX for the parameters  /play -"[TABLEPATH]\[TABLEFILE]"

**rtkiii** · August 22, 2017

Made the change you suggested...same issue with table.

**rtkiii** · August 22, 2017

Also tested on vpmod and vpx...same issue inside of PinballX. But plays fine in those respective Visual Pinball .exe

I did recently update my PBX...could that be it?

**Outhere** · August 22, 2017

I run PinballX - Version 2.36

What about PinballFX2

**rtkiii** · August 22, 2017

I have 2.36 as well. PBFX2 works perfectly fine.

**Outhere** · August 22, 2017

Try changing these, Try turning other things off to see what happens, But it could one of many settings in pinballX that's causing the issue...

[Login]
Enabled=True

FullScreenWindowed=False

Try PinballXLite.exe

Do you have the latest version of NET Framework for Windows 7

https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/download/details.aspx?id=40779

**rtkiii** · August 22, 2017

This is setup for a cabinet. In case that matters?

I have .NET 4.6.1 installed

I'll try lite and see what that does. The only thing I can remember that is different is my monitors used to be DVI. And for the time being one is DVI and the other is HDMI. Any weirdness with that? Seems like it would not be.

**rtkiii** · August 22, 2017

Tried PBX Lite and I cannot even insert a coin before it freezes...ug

**Outhere** · August 22, 2017

I'm starting to run out of ideas..
Did try re-installing 2.36

I have some old Versions of pinballx if you would like them

**rtkiii** · August 23, 2017

Also tried you suggested changes...same result. So odd

**rtkiii** · August 23, 2017

what do these say in yours?

[Text]
Line1=Johnny 5 Pinball Experience
Line2=Press Start to Pick Your Table

Such a strtch but this is the only thing besides some PXFX2 changes i made.

**rtkiii** · August 23, 2017

just tried reinstalling PBX...same issue.

**rtkiii** · August 23, 2017

I really don't know why the front end would cause any issues since it works fine in the actual VP application. Blowing my mind

**Outhere** · August 23, 2017

[Text]
Line1=Free Play
Line2=Press Start

**Outhere** · August 23, 2017

When it freezes up if you do alt-tab does it show any kind of error

**rtkiii** · August 23, 2017

interestingly enough when I do Alt+Tab and go through the open windows there is NO error. But if I get it back to Visual Pinball in the list...THE GAME PLAYS FINE! If I close out of the table and re-open the issue comes back and needs the alt+tab agian to keep playing. But once I do the ALT+Tab for that table, in that session it seems to play fine.

No idea

**Outhere** · August 23, 2017

Are you running compatibility mode on anything?
Try this one's when it freezes up take your mouse and click the top of this Playing field

 and see if it resumed

**rtkiii** · August 23, 2017

I have PBX set to Compatbilty Mode for Windows 7...which I think i have had since the original setup days. Turned Compatibilty mode off...no change

If I click mouse on screen it does continue on with no freeze.

**Outhere** · August 23, 2017

I run windows 7 and 10 and I do not use compatibility mode for anything and I only run as administrator if I have to..

for pinballx I do not run as administrator

If you are running as administrator for pinballx try turning it off and you aren't try turning it on and do the same with VP

**Outhere** · August 23, 2017

What's Happening Here is VP is losing focus in pinballX...
If that Don't work try this...
Take this file vpauto.exe and move it out of the pinballx folder and then try running pinballx and see if the game works

[RESOLVED] Tables "Freeze" after about 5-10 seconds - used to work fine

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